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backtones... a useful term Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual



 "I have created new 
jargon like headstock pitch and backtones but that's just me.  Not 
generally used."

Larry, you'll be bored to know that *I* use your term "backtones"...ever 
since it showed up in your long-ago guest lesson in Guitar Player 
magazine. The term seemed so natural that I assumed it preceded you :-)

I use the technique in performance and I call it "backtones."  

"Headstock pitch?" What is that, like the Belew behind-the-nut strum? Or 
does it refer to the cool chords that certain guitars make when you strum 
behind the nut? (Different headstock designs of course create different 
"chords," some more useful than others.)

Yours in Hans Reichel,
Tim Mungenast
www.mungenast.com
www.cdbaby.com/mungenast




-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Cooperman <coop@newmillguitar.com>
Sent: Nov 8, 2004 10:30 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Air Intake of the Echoplex Manual

> Aside from the part about "what girls like", I would say learning 
> looping is quite similar, not different. You are also learning about 
> music, culture, a process for creating, techniques on an instrument, 
> the stylistic vocabulary of that instrument. It's much more than a 
> bunch of buttons on some box. A looper is an instrument that takes a 
> lot of learning and practice to become skilled, and the manual that 
> came with the looper isn't going to teach you most of that. It just 
> tells you what the functions and buttons do and where to connect the 
> cables.

I disagree about the culture thing.  Did you know that BMI was created, 
among other reasons, after ASCAP refused to give African American 
artists the same mechanical royalty as white Tin Pan Alley artists?  
The History of American Popular Music not the History of Looping.  
Learning the guitar, at least how I teach it, is part of culture.  You 
can totally disregard this kind of information when doing looping.  For 
that matter you can leave it out teaching guitar but I don't.  By the 
way this was a college course I taught, I don't teach any cultural info 
privately unless I'm teaching to a Republican Fascist Armageddon Head 
and they usually have one lesson and they're gone.  Fuckerz.

Now there is an aspect of culture that's built in to looping and that's 
creation.  We did see a guy loop a Paul Simon song at Y2K4, while very 
nice and imbued with the cultural aspects of Africa, is not exactly 
what I had in mind.  But I would think you come pre programmed with 
this information before you get an EDP.
>
> So far as I can tell though, looping is not a very good way to meet 
> girls.

Well, I'd say that looping and classical music would introduce you to 
the kind of girl you'd wanna marry.
>
>> Happens to involve technology now and manuals that don't, maybe, go 
>> about being tutorial like and that are using an organizational 
>> principal based on jargon, are somewhat hard for me.
>
> Is jargon avoidable? I don't see how. At some point you have to give 
> names to concepts and ideas and functions. Overtime I think it just 
> becomes necessary or the communication is too cumbersome for those who 
> talk about it all the time. The names develop naturally. When somebody 
> new comes into it, part of learning the subject is learning the terms 
> that go with it. That is also true for classical guitar as much as it 
> is for looping or anything else. In the beginning with any new 
> subject, it is always confusing while you figure out what all the new 
> words mean.

I can't think of any new piece of jargon that has entered the general 
classical guitar for years.  Really.  This is why it kind of sucks 
being in a fixed bug in amber kind of discipline.  I have created new 
jargon like headstock pitch and backtones but that's just me.  Not 
generally used.

By the way, I plugged a really tweaked processor and continuous control 
pedals to the EDP and I've got something I can live with in looping.  I 
can subject a loop to a long envelope of process and it's like rolling 
the dice.  I have been morphing loops into things that are 
unrecognizable from the original.

Coop
Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
http://www.newmillguitar.com