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They are part of society it is just that society is not part of itself? What is a collective society, just in the place called the United States? I scratch my head. I think in times gone by there may have been something of a societal collection, here and there, groups of appreciators of this or that art but damn if I can see a collection now. Artists are a society unto themselves and nose pickers and Jazz Republicans to slash and burn family values society will never be part of civilization at its best. Who will remember the woman that exclusively paints angels with big eyes, wings and stuff in 20 years? Like I said earlier artists are herd animals in the field going "moooo I'm an artiste mooo." Back at the ranch Bubba is flossing the Tri Tip out of his teeth and voting for slash and burn family values types that will cut the hell out of the NEA. What society are we talking about? It is clear that there is no constant and society is a collection of factions. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com