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I know this is way off topic, and I'll accept e-mails privately rather than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know how many of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly seeking factory work because it offers a step up from the feudal farming system they have suffered under for centuries? My sister-in-law works for a jewelry company with factories in Beijing and Seoul, she goes to these cities several times a year, and her perception of their conditions is that it's difficult - long days, spartan living conditions, low pay - but better than the feudal farming system that has existed for centuries in the rural areas. She tells me that the vast majority of workers come willingly to work because the possibility of saving up some money of their own spells "hope" to these people who for centuries owned nothing. My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality. I'd like to hear (off list) from those that might support the term "slave labor" with facts and as much direct experience as possible. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer > On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > > in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor > > facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something > > unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's > > considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad > about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff. > > i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory > standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but > edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with > pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved > production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!" > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com >