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Frostwave makes the most interesting stomp boxes around IMO. All their products (including the Sonic Alienator) are built extrodinarily well and are very creative doing things most "normal" filters, autowahs, etc never do. I use the Fat Controller (sold my Arp and Doepher Sequencers once it arrived) a Resonantor, and a Spacebeam Theremin which is the best pitch only theremin I have ever used; rock solid with virtually NO drift, good variety of tones and features. The Sonic Alientor is for sound freaks and explorers. It is an extrodinarily high quality piece (that can make things sound like a fire hydrant :)) IMO an analogy between the Bitrateman and the Frostwave would be like an Arion Phaser pedal vs a Roland SPH323 rack unit. More depth and flexibilty of sound, superior build and feel, and far superior sound quality. The are more expensive (and worse since the US dollar is doing so poorly) but I rationalize it by saying buying a frostwave is like buying an instrument, not an effect. YMMV. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, wavecomputer360 wrote: > IŽd be curious if the FW is ruder than the Bitrman by Alesis. My bet >would > be "ruder" but does anybody know for sure? > > http://www.frostwave.com/sonicalienator/ -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more.