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I"m amazed that in people's discussions of the biggest DAWs that no one has mentioned Steinberg's CUBASE SX. The VST plugin format which seems to becoming a dominant plugin format (certainly in terms of the number available and the number of DAWs and other programs (like fruity loops) that use it was started by Steinberg. I personally am in love with FLStudio (formerly Fruity Loops) which although having a very different gui than the big DAWs can do much of what they can do at a fraction of the cost. It also has a wonderful simple and intuitive drum machine styled interface with a tremendous amount of generated arpeggiation and effects capabilities. My new CD, PURPLE HAND, which I will formerly release on February 27th was done almost entirely with this awesome program (with a lot of sound design help from Cycling 74's Pluggo suite and Max/MSP). It uses VST plugins (a number of which I downloaded as freeware thanks to suggestions at the AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous tribe at tribe.net). Rick Walker www.looppool.info PURPLE HAND (abstract electronica) L()()p.p()()L (live looping)