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If you are willing to use a Windows computer, there is some free software called Elottronix XL designed specifically to emulate "Frippertronics": http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_news.htm On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:35:46 +0000, Kevin Harrison <harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Duncan, > > Yeh, the beauty of the 2 revox method is the artifacts that build up, > plus you end up with a finished recording on tape. > I guess I'm looking for a small portable digital thang to do something > similar. I think the Line 6 rack version would probably be too > expensive for me. > > Thanks for your thoughts > > Kevin > > www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > > > On Feb 07, 2005, at 16:06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry > > riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds > > good from what I've seen written about it)<< > > > > I've used the two-tape-deck system on & off since 1978.... I didn't > > even know who fripp was then, & copied the idea from a picture I saw > > of the bbc radiophonics workshop. > > > > what I was actually trying to do was get a better echo effect, by > > running the tape at a high speed for the fidelity, but using the > > second deck's replay system to extend the delay time /as a simple > > musical effect/. > > > > I didn't realise then (too impatient to do the sums, I expect) that > > what I would end up with was a very long delay indeed, even with the > > machines side-by-side & running at 7.5ips. > > > > & so I got quite a surprise when I ran the whole thing up. > > > > I say again, I had not yet heard music made with this technique. by > > the time I discovered "no pussyfooting", I regarded the technique as a > > studio-staple; "surely everyone is aware of this trick", like ADT or > > flanging with two decks. > > > > I started out with two ferrographs.... but I've also used pairs of > > revox a77's & pairs of uher portables to achieve the same thing. > > > > what's special about the use of tape decks is (or can be, anyway) the > > quality of the recording itself. you will gradually accumulate all > > sorts of multi-generational tape artefacts, such as hiss, rumble > > ("rock noise"), 2nd & 3rd order distortion, dropout, wow, flutter..... > > & the fun to be had increases if you have easy access to the biasing > > of the first deck, &/or any of the eq adjustments. then there's > > flicking the tape as it traverses the void between record & play. > > moving the decks further apart or closer together. pinching the tape > > to make it squeal. lifting the tape off of the erase head to let > > random old noises through into the piece. varying the azimuth on the > > play-deck on a sustained note to create a phasing effect... > > > > the nearest approximation I've heard of these qualities has been the > > tape-delay emulation on the dl4. it doesn't go quite slow/long enough > > for the two-deck sound, but I suspect the rack-version does. I should > > get one really, but hooking up the two tape machines is still a lot of > > fun, & you get to keep the recording afterwards too. :-) > > > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > **** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > > > MTV Networks Europe > > > > *********************************************************************** > > **** > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com