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Hi I just remembered another odd thing. I use several different audio programs and try out demos and such. One time I clicked a mute button in an audio program. Unbeknownest to me, it did not mute the program but it muted the system. Then when I quit the program it did not automatically unmute the system. Later, after no sound in my usual programs and time spent checking wires and such I went to the sound control and noticed a system mute button selected and thus was able to deselect. A rare event but exasperating. BobC