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>Don't buy a virtualizer they are crap, buy anything else but not that! >they really are terrible. >geoff yes, but that's not the point :-) I used the Virtualizer Pro to create a set of pseudo drum machine sounds by modifying the output of my guitar. http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3 On that track, the sub-bass and the ping-pong echo on the guitar solo are Virtualizer as well. I didn't use the Virtualizer distortions though. They're crap :-) andy butler