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Not to flog a dead horsie, Rick, but I just gotta say that your Green disc continues to kick my ass. I haven't gotten bored of it even after a bazillion plays, and I doubt I will EVER get tired of it. I only hope that my upcoming avant disc is as nicely balanced. That was done with DL-4s? Luv, Tim Mungenast -----Original Message----- From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> Sent: Mar 28, 2005 6:21 PM To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: LINE 6 DL-4 For what it is worth: despite the limitations of the Line 6 DL-4, I love this unit intensely and have been using it for my first loop capabilities ever since it was released. I also use the amazing EDP and Repeater (the high budget loopers) but I've done many quickie shows that didn't allow long setup times with just two DL-4s. I have found that if you put the loop into constant overdub mode that the time it takes for the inistial loop to fade out is so long that I can't use that feature as a way of fading out a piece in real time. So, even though there is some loss of the original loops it can easily be overcompensated by making your first loops signals be hotter than subsequent loops. Also, I have found that musically, one typically doesn't want to use a whole hell of a lot of static loops in a piece............it makes the piece...................well..................static to do so. Typically, and I play multiple instruments, in my live shows I rarely use more than three or four static loops. The Line 6 can easily handle this amount without having it's loop degeneration be a liability musically speaking. Also, I find that when using a looper to make rhythmic ostinato loops (which we play over) that it actually seems to work for me to use shorter loops (one or two bar at the most), in which case at most normal tempi, the Line 6s 14 second looping time is not a defect. If you want really long ambient loops where the audience doesn't hear where the loop occurs, you might consider the Boss Loop Station. I have found that if your loops are very much longer than 15 or 20 seconds that audiences frequently don't percieve them as loops. That, of course, can be musical, but I personally love minimalistic repitition which is why I'm so fascinated by live looping. Another advantage is that the Line 6 DL4 really sounds pretty damn good fidelity wise (better than EDP, imho and on par with the Repeater) so that makes it the cheapest high quality looper that has multiple features on the market. Now, if I could only get an endorsement with those suckers..........................I've worn out both of my DL4s....................lol Rick Walker