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Yeah, I've felt this way and left the list too, but I've learned a valuable lesson: "Whatever" I used to put a LOT of effort into this list and now I just don't. Not worth it. I'll contribute when I feel like it but the idea that I was helping build or form something that was somehow "important" is long gone. I chalk it up to what the Greeks call "Hubris" If people feel something is important, they'll pay you for it. Giving away your secrets for free tells people the time you spent discovering your secrets was worthless. This said, I still contribute because I like to, but I'm much more aware that it's for me and not for anyone else. So Andre, my iFriend, come back and stay awhile. You were probably right in not offering your secrets to the public. If people want to learn how to use an EDP the way you do, they need only to do what you did. There are people here who appreciate you and your work... and I think there were even defenses of your ideas. However there are more people here who will argue with you and could care less what you do. Keep it all in mind and you'll enjoy this list a lot more. Mark --- a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > (I'll admit that these concerns come largely from > the backlash > >which drove me off of this list a year ago, and > what seemed to me to be > >a more or less complete absence - at that time - of > any public, on-list > >defense of my attempted contributions to this > community.) > > Andre > I thought that a detailed defense of your (many) > contributions would have been > pointless > 1) because regular list members would know anyway > 2) I thought you wouldn't see it, because you said > you'd signed off. > > Probably others thought likewise. > > andy butler > > >