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>> Does avant-garde jazz still exist? How do you play it without >> sounding "avant-garde jazz- ish"? > On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:41, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Interestingly enough, if you go to All Music Guide on the net, they > have > an amazing array of genres and historical descriptions, sub-divided > and > sub-divided again and again. They note the founders of the Avante- > Garde > Jazz genre as Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Sun Ra, and John > Coltrane. > And there are still new artists coming out doing stuff that sound like > Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, and Ornette Coleman Yeah, I too love those artists. I guess "Avante-Garde" is not the way it sounds but the description of "something different, breaking into new territories". Playing like Coltrane today would not be very "avant-garde", rather conservative. But I see your point in talking about jazz; the open mind, the communication in performance, the implied structures not made explicit as in pop music. I too love that way of relating to making music and I also love the sound of "traditional avante-garde jazz". I try to not distract me from looking for the real avante-garde. Does it exist? Where on the musical map of 2006 are the white territories that musicians are just about to break into? > Cripes, I have to get to bed....2:40am here, and I have to bottle- > feed a > twin before I hit the sack. Thanks for the dialogue, Per. Dream of > atonal arrangements for me tonight, will you? It's not even noon here ;-) He, he... Thanks for all nice posts! Inspiring reading. I may not be dreaming about atonal arrangements but in ten hours I will undertake a five hour train ride and I hope to be dreaming about atonal real-time looping and pitch-shifting (according to exp jazz impro aesthetics, if you want ;-). If I'm lucky I will reach the destination with some new ideas to try out ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen