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Bingo.... I have an 814, but I have the Fishman, and I'm waiting to hear some more reviews of the retro-fittable ES. The ES sounds amazing, but the retrofit is different in the 3rd sensor placement, and I'm curious how this affects the overall tone. Besides the Amulet, the ES is the most remarkable innovation in Acoustic amplification to come along, IMO. Gary - do you use the ES? Thoughts? Kris - you do get some nice sound out of your Fishman, but I'd check out an ES equipped Taylor next time you are at a store, the natural tone is incredible (but who know how it will sound when you put a bunch of effects on it). Like I mentioned, they do make a retrofit able version for us non-ES Taylor owners. I've been seriously considering the upgrade since they introduced the option. Though it is "pricy." -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Taylor Expression System I have a 812 and I don't think the Expression is a Fishman. If it has round flat knobs (three of 'em) it's the Expression. Those pickups are not under the saddle--they are magnetic and there are several of them. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/features/expression_tonalquality.html Gary -----Original Message----- Hartung, Kris You wrote: I use a Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar, which has the Fishman pickup system. Here is the pickup description on the Taylor website. They are right under the white bridge. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=310-CE