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Mark I am beginning to get to the same place. I understand the need to move and physically express joy to music. A very necessary thing at some level. On the other hand, being so cluster-f*ckingly self absorbed as to dance into people and being completely disrespectful of their personal space and enjoyment of the concert is just plain unacceptable. Most of these particular folk are on some manner of chemically-based agenda in relation to the music. I've no problem with that, being that I've enjoyed certain moments of chemically induced musical appreciation on many an occasion, though that is no longer a possibility while trying to go to school and pay a mortgage. The whole self-absorbed aspect of that manner of behaviour seems off-putting. It all boils down to basic respect for the artist and your fellow audiwnce members. And unfortunately, there is a complete drought of such behaviour. I am to the point where I only go to see live music 7-10 times a year any more. Too many headaches, including parking, price, other concert-goers, onwards to poor sound quality and crap venues. What about you? I realize alot of this is a function of age and am willing to be consider an old f*rt. Ideas? He who lurks......... Todd -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> Sent: Oct 10, 2005 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) I hear you Ted. Oh I hear you. Though, oddly enough I've enjoyed your performances each time I've seen you. Here's another bit: Why do I go see live music? Friday I went to see Adrian Belew at Slim's in SF. As always Adrian was great. He seems comfortable and downright gleeful on stage running through his set. However, I left thinking I'd never go to another show again. Why? A few reasons. One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows that are so loud you need ear protection. Your choice is then to hurt yourself or hear a muddy muffled version. When shows can cost as much as $80 a ticket (Hi Prince!) you'd think a well balanced audio set up can be expected, but this is rarely the case in my experience. I've been at Adrian Belew and King Crimson shows that were so loud I needed ear protection. Two: Over zealous dancers. Friday night much of the time was spent trying to get away from or ignore to smelly idiots who seem to think that dancing wildly in a crowded club is OK. To them: I'm sorry your father never paid attention to you and I know you feel that no one loves you, but regardless, we didn't come to see you so please settle down and enjoy the show. Do aerobics at your gym. Three: I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend is 5'. We had a hard time seeing a damn thing most of the night. So, I've kind of sworn myself off live music for the time being. Each time I go I end up disappointed. Maybe this is why I generally avoid playing live as well. --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Well, > > As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who > is currently > listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" > Walker -- sweeping > the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say > definatively . . . > > I dunno . . . > > It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to > climb a half dozen > times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am > very seldom > ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I > too often go ill > prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway > down a glacier > on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am > perfectly > well prepared and outfitted too. > > The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come > entirely at > random and unexpectly. There seems to be no > "science" to it. All > of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply > myself) seem > to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. > They seem > to amount to little more than a more elaborate form > of "crossing > my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the > gods of "guilt" > and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let > anyone down. > > I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for > that next repeat > of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, > my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, > where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not > me?) experience. > For only having had a taste of it a few times I am > still certainly addicted > nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky > needs a fix. > > But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd > go into rehab and > "take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief > it's caused me. Then, > at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of > that bliss again. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months > of September > and October and all of my portion of the profits > will be automatically > donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for > Gulf Coast > hurricane relief. > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com