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Boss VF1 isn't too bad. And believe it or not, an old Lexicon LXP5 has some crazy sounds on it...I have one, sitting in my closet. :) Both aren't packed withh a lot of nobs, thought, and the LXP5 is incredibly counter-intuitive to program. Hmmmm, this is an interesting challenge. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: AW: sound mangling devices? Nick, "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is "maximum amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? Without having these questions answered: Bitrman (only heard about that one), Zoom 1201, Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, Lexicon Vortex... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 18:11 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: sound mangling devices? Hi - I've got my looping side sorted out with a jamman and a zoom g2, but I'm looking for sugegstions as to what units will give the maximum amount of sound mangling power at a reasonable price? It's important that there should be plenty of knobs for live performance. I've got an airFX and that's great, but would like a bit more control so I can repeat effects with some confidence! All the best, Nick Robinson