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In the world of musicians, the term "professional" gets thrown around with abandon, and is often used to denote how "serious" someone is in their musical endeavours. I'm not intending a slight to musicians who can't make ends meet soley through their music, I'm just applying a more precise definition than is often used. A guy who works as a waiter while putting himself through college can be described as a professional waiter, or even a student, but not as a "professional architect", even if he's attending architecture school, and even if he really, really likes to draw buildings and has his own drafting table and a large collection of pencils. As far as I'm concerned, the same applies to musicians. Your "profession" is what you make your living at, your self-definition can be an entirely different thing. "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" listed on it, you're semi-pro. It doesn't mean that you're less of a musician, just that your involvement in the economic realm of music-making is below a certain threshold. TravisH On 10/16/05, paul <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote: > Travis, I really am surprised by your very narrow definition of a > professional musician! I made my sole living playing music for over ten > years, I don't consider myself any less professional now. > I think anyone who is taking their music seriously, is expected to be >paid > when asked to perform, is a professional musician. That may make an > interesting question to ask, How do you define what a professional >musician is? > By your definition, I guess that I couldn't even be called a professional > plumber since I don't make enough to cover our bills and need my wife to > supplement our income.