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I just want to add an interesting piece of hardware for anyone who is considering using the Pentium M in a _desktop_ machine. Asus makes a $50 adaptor that will allow you to put a Pentium M processor in some of Asus's socket 478 motherboards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=54&l3=0&model=467&modelmenu=1 Tom's hardware has a good review of this model: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/pentium4-01.html On 10/26/05, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote: > But what exactly constitutes a "commercial" box? I'm not seeing this > hard distinction being drawn in their online sales sites. For things > like kitchen appliances, you go to a restaurant supply store and find > that everything costs way more--like, $300 toasters. It looks pretty > much like a $30 toaster you buy at Sears, but all the components are > heavier so it can stand up to commericial duty cycles (such as making > 500 pieces of toast, every day for years). It seems to me that a > "commercial" lap top would weigh a couple pounds more and be visibly > bulkier than a consumer unit, the ports would all have rubber gasket > covers to keep water/sand/whatever out, the screen would have some > super scratch resistant coating, etc. > > I don't see that in the HP or Thinkpad models that have been > discussed, they just seem to have a faster processor, bigger hard > drive and more ram. It's like someone's Civic with a bunch of bolt-on > performance parts as opposed to something that's a racing chassis by > design. And if you say that your consumer grade HP laptop has held up > to all sorts of physical abuse, then it appears that the issue is more > one of performance and not physical ruggedness, which was my concern > when this sub-thread first started, i.e. how well will a laptop hold > up to road conditions, being dropped on the floor, having cable yanked > out by passing strangers, etc. > > TravisH > > On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > And now > > my personal laptop is starting to crap out and get the "blue screen of > > death." I'm in trouble, because this is my music notebook...I should >have > > taken my wife's advice, and NEVER have bought that consumer model > > notebook...bad, bad, bad...I learned a big lesson. I should have >spent an > > extra grand for a commercial box with an M processor, XP Pro, etc. > > > > Also, regarding your statement below, I might argue with that when it >comes > > to "some" commercial boxes. I have had my work notebook, the NC model, >for > > over three years, using it 10-14 hours a day...it is on 24 hours a >day. I've > > taken it on business trips, yanked it around to meeting rooms, dropped >it in > > its bag, worked on the plane where people in front of me jammed their >seat > > back into my display, worked in hotels, in bed when my back was hurt, > > etc.....I expect this thing will easily last another two years. You are > > right about the insurance, or what we like to refer to as extended > > warranties in PC land, or Care Packs in HP. You'll note that with the > > expensive commercial boxes like the HP NC models and IMB models, you >often > > get 3 year warranties. This is another reason why enterprise level >companies > > buy these commercial boxes. > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com