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The coffeeshops cater to people with disposable income, because coffee is a non-necessity, and paying someone else to make food or drink for you is a luxury. The free-riders are an unintended and largely undesired side-effect of having an open door and being unwilling to boot people who aren't buying enough. A coffee store that has live music isn't catering to the proletariat. I find that coffee-serving establishments with live music seem to be the same in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Bellingham, Portland, Coeur d'Alene, Woodinville, Carlisle, St. Andrews, Dundee, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Vancouver, etc. If someone's got $1.50 for a cup of coffee, they've got $5 for a CD of something they really like. I'm not playing in greasy spoons for the indigent. TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > Although I wouldn't agree that all coffeshops cater to people with > disposable income. I meet a lot of starving artists and students at > coffeeshops who are NOT buying $4 lattes and mochas, but the $1.50 > plain cup of joe. They can't afford CDs, but love to sit and listen to > the music, read the free paper neareby, etc. Maybe you have a lot > of yuppies in Seattle who hang out in coffeeshops and are blowing > lots of cash on CDs, $300 express makers, etc...not here. Have you > seen your mean income in Seatte lately? I've frequented Seattle >coffeshops > many times. I see a lot of people who dress and drive wealthy. You won't > see that here in Boise very often, at least in a coffeeshop. Hence, I >think > your point on coffeeshops is relative. I think you point is more valid in > regard to nice restaurants, wine bars, and galleries, however. >