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I concur...Mad Magazine called it "middle-class poverty"--all the basics of life, but no savings and no real room for frivolities. I've been sporadically employed since May of 2000 (!), and sometimes even that cup of joe seems extravagant. I'm one of those people who has a good home and a reliable car and enough to eat, and I'm grateful to The Great Whomever, BUT because of the on-again-off-again job scene and household/family expenses, I have jack sh*t to spend on my greatest love, music. So I, like many, many other people, am in the awkward position of being simulatneously frustrated *and* guilt-ridden....the needling little voice that tells me "true, you cannot afford a $10 guitar strap because you have $13K in credit card debt, but at least you didn't lose everything in New Orleans,etc etc etc" In short, I cannot bitch when someone tells me he doesn't have money for my CD, because most of the time I am in the same boat and I know exactly what he means. If I could, I would buy every Loopie's discs ;-) > [Original Message] > From: Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: 1/8/2006 3:18:45 PM > Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > we'll have to agree to disagree. There are plenty of people who go to > coffeeshops who can't afford buy every CD of each artist they see > there....maybe not even one CD. Shit, I hear people say this ALL of the > time..."Gee, I wish I could buy your CD, but I'm just strapped for >cash." > Just because they buy a cup of coffee for $1.50, doesn't mean they can > afford to buy a CD. Their budget may be completely set and allowing for >a > few cups of coffee a week, but not CD. I'll I'm trying to get you to admit > is that there are people who frequent coffee shops who can't afford CDs, > that's all. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > > The coffeeshops cater to people with disposable income, because coffee > is a non-necessity, and paying someone else to make food or drink for > you is a luxury. The free-riders are an unintended and largely > undesired side-effect of having an open door and being unwilling to > boot people who aren't buying enough. > > A coffee store that has live music isn't catering to the proletariat. > I find that coffee-serving establishments with live music seem to be > the same in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Bellingham, Portland, Coeur > d'Alene, Woodinville, Carlisle, St. Andrews, Dundee, Houston, Dallas, > San Antonio, Fort Worth, Vancouver, etc. If someone's got $1.50 for a > cup of coffee, they've got $5 for a CD of something they really like. > I'm not playing in greasy spoons for the indigent. > > TravisH > > On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Although I wouldn't agree that all coffeshops cater to people with > > disposable income. I meet a lot of starving artists and students at > > coffeeshops who are NOT buying $4 lattes and mochas, but the $1.50 > > plain cup of joe. They can't afford CDs, but love to sit and listen to > > the music, read the free paper neareby, etc. Maybe you have a lot > > of yuppies in Seattle who hang out in coffeeshops and are blowing > > lots of cash on CDs, $300 express makers, etc...not here. Have you > > seen your mean income in Seatte lately? I've frequented Seattle > > coffeshops > > many times. I see a lot of people who dress and drive wealthy. You >won't > > see that here in Boise very often, at least in a coffeeshop. Hence, I > > think > > your point on coffeeshops is relative. I think you point is more valid in > > regard to nice restaurants, wine bars, and galleries, however. > > > >