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Bringing this back to the subject of the thread (though not to the topic of looping), is Gangsta' rap simply an updated version of the outlaw myth that is part of many folk musics (Certainly country, bluegrass, Irish), or something more onerous. I could argue this one either way. (Perhaps the answer is that when Johnny Cash sang "I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die."m, he didn't give the impression that he was proud of that action.) -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com