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Dear Luca, personally, I don't have problems with the amount of discussion here, but I do understand that other people might, especially since this thread is only to a small part loop-related. On the other hand, I don't expect this to turn into a monster thread - do you? There are mainly two reasons why I didn't take this to a dedicated place: 1. How many of the people who might by interested in or could contribute to this thread would actually join a yahoogroup for this specific topic? I just fear we wouldn't reach the masses of LD expertise (or the other way round, be able to somehow try to "pay them back" for their valuable input...) 2. I'm too lazy... And then there were these things with spyware-related issues of the yahoogroups policy... Be assured however, that in case somebody else organizes something in a way that allows me a) to participate without the need to setup additional accounts, accept page-long terms of use, and b) do so via standard email, I'm all game! ;-) Rainer