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Great threads! This is the stuff that really gets me going! For folks interested in learning more about syllabic rhythms, I'll share a few great resources I've found in addition to the book Mark mentioned. - Google "konnokol", the Indian vocal percussion drum language. Practically any recordings you find are worth listening to. - Check out TaKeTiNa <http://www.TaKeTiNa.com/> which fuses the idea of Indian talas with ideas from a few other music traditions and introduces the concept of rhythmic archetypes. Workshops, CDs, and concerts are available. Very polyrhythmic, very cool stuff. (I'm actually enrolled in an intensive three-year training in this work right now, so maybe I'm a little biased.) - Glen Velez <http://www.GlenVelez.com/> & his wife Lori Cotler <http://www.LoriCotler.com/> have workshops, CDs, and concerts all over the world too. Especially on their more recent material you can hear plenty of odd-meter, spoken-rhythm, polyrhythmic and beautifully textured music. There are other drum languages and non-counting rhythmic systems all over the world, too. But of all the ancient ones that I know about, the Indian system is definately the most structured. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:52:04 -0800 (PST) > From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > Interesting that this came up, as I'm trying to > excersize that atrophied rhythm muscle with the help > of Matthew Montfort at Bluebear school of music in San > Francisco: > > http://www.ancient-future.com/rhythm.html > > Just getting his book and CDs has been a big help. > > Mark >