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I agree, the DL-4 is one of the most intuitive looping devices going, coupled with the ability to use an expression pedal to control any or all front panel knob parameters, making it an incredibly versatile and sophisticated sound mangler. The only knocks I can make on it are well documented on this blog site. I recently had my newer DL4 upgraded by Keeley electronics to clean up the noise floor, cure the slight drop in volume when engaged, I wish I knew someone who could expand the memory a bit. But the ability to toggle between record speeds, or reverse speeds (a little trickier) while in record mode is what sets it apart from other similar priced loopers. If I were doing a steady jazz gig where I wanted to play backing tracks I could see the appeal, of something with memory storage, but, to me, the appeal of looping lies in the spontaneity of creating the parts live and doing as little canned stuff as possible, preferably none. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:loopersdelight@swyatt.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 >From the organic live-looping perspective, I'd recommend the DL4 over a DD20. I never have to think about the hardware when I loop with a DL4, thus allowing me to concentrate purely on the music. Its virtually indestructable, concise, has loads of cool delay sounds for when not in loop mode (although there is a simple <500ms delay availible in loop mode)... I've only ever used the DD20 a couple of times, and found it a much more clinical type of looper. It is a more dedicated device, allowing you to save loops etc...., but for some reason it just didn't work for me, but a guitarist I know swears by it (He uses it for pre-recorded backing loops). ... not a structured response, but purely my biased opinion :) - Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com