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>> I haven't installed the Loop IV software in my EDPs yet. I don't want >> to read another doggone tome and start at "square one" all over again I've barely scratched the surface of what's possible with my Axon/Repeater/Fantom rack, and totally agree... Even the relatively modest upgrade of my Axon recently is like learning a new instrument when I was just getting my arms around the (then) current incarnation. Thank goodness for user memory locations. And the new Axon editor! On a somewhat-related note: can anyone tell me if the FCB1010 programming utility is any good? Dan Ash White Plains, NY