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Ok, are the effects loops pre or post send? (If they're not pre, you might not be able to generally optain the result you're looking for). Regarding the shifters themselves. I was always fairly content with my old digitech StudioQuad (which also has the nice property of four channels I/O, so you could install it both pre and post EDPs and use different patches for shifting either the outs or the ins). When I want good pitch shifting, I use the Eclipse (which has a price which can easily compete with a pair of EDPs ;). To play into Rick's hands here, I'll recommend the Zoom 1201 (1HU rack unit) here, for two reasons: first, it's very cheap. second, you control the amount of pitch shift with a 11-position switch and another dial which changes between shift up and shift down. This allows by turning these two dials while having a melodic loop play through it for some quasitonal weirdness. The quality: don't shift more than a fourth or a fifth at most, unless you are prepared for some very pitch-shifted-sounding material. The FireworX doesn't for my taste live up to the quality level I'd expect from a device which tells me the name of the software manufacturer responsible for the pitch shifting at every startup. Rainer > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Dennis Montgomery [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. März 2006 00:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s > > *** > Do you want to shift the input or the output only, or both? > Do you want to have loops that move up in pitch each turn > around? Are you ok with using a mixer in addition to the EDPs > and the shifter? How much do you want to spend? > *** > > As much flexibility as possible and I already use a mixer so > no problem there. It has > 2 unused effects loops I can utilize. Should have mentioned > at the start, I'm looking for a standalone hardware solution. > As far as price, it's the usual...as little as I have to as > much as I can :-) > > Dennis > > >