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I purchased a cheap plastic, battery powered spirographic drawing toy yesterday (all of $4) and noticed it was UV active, so I went into my bathroom and turned out all the lights and.............................NO......................that's not where I"m going with this story.......... ...........and holding a little pen UV light in my mouth, the spirograph in my hand with my finger on the on/off button I made a little 30 second video loop on my terrible Radio Shack camera. Anyway, I put some music from my upcoming CD against it and used some cheapo effects and made a little looping video for everyone. If you care to see it, it's at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzX9J6TPz0Q I'm really into these 30 second loops that this camera makes. The fidelity is terrible and I rather like it. There is another video at my YouTube page using the same technique. Let me know what you think. I used looping concepts but the music was NOT done in real time. yours, Rick Walker www.looppool.info