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Hi all, I've been lurking here for a while. Since I am one of the first 30 or so people w/ a looperlative and some, uh, controversy has sprung up regarding it, I felt I should post. My way of looking at this is that you're buying a chance to be on the ground floor of a product's development. Kinda like buying a modular from some guy named Moog back in the 60's. It's a chance to help shape something, rather than just getting a product off a shelf. OTOH you're buying an unfinished product. I am OK with that, because it already has enough functionality to be worth it for me. I also know from experience that software engineering is never fast enough or bug-free enough. That's the price you pay for being on the cutting edge. Sometimes you bleed. If you bought it to do something it doesn't do yet, based on Bob's rather vague pronouncements, and you need it to do that RIGHT NOW, you will probably be dissapointed. I am not faulting Bob here at all. He has to be vague; that's just the nature of the beast. Stick with him and I think it will do everything he has sort of promised it will do. It will just take time. As for when you can get one for 599, probably never, unless Bob gets sick of all this and sells out. Which I hope he never does. (If you do get sick of it all Bob, just open-source the code. You can still build the boxes...just spitballing here). My Two Cents, "Some Dude" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com