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\To derisively tell the so called looper elites to shut the hell up is not only highly disrespectful but it also shows a woeful lack of knowledge on your part.\ You have to admit, there are a LOT of pompous folks on this board. And, they like to shut one up and can be disrespectful as well. You know this is true. Many people have posted on this board - and left the community. I remember seeing many messages of that flavor. In fact, you're doing the exact same thing. You made comments about I don't know anything about looping. I've been doing it for a fairly long time and have owned every looper at one time or another that's been manufactured for quite a while. I'm sure there's not a large market for expensive loopers. But, Boss is building mid-range priced units, aren't they? As is Digitech. And Electro-harmonix. Surely, they wouldn't make the same assertions as Line 6 made as these devices are made for looping almost exclusively. I respect the efforts made by the Looperlative developer. I'm sure he'll sell enough units to those that desire that quality and can afford the price. Like those that own high-end Lexicon stuff, etc. But, fairly decent functionality is becoming available at a much lower price point. The RC-50 is on such device. Or, look at the original Repeater. How much was that when originally released? I had one and can't remember the exact price but I thought it was around $500. Who knows what's going to come down the pike in a couple years at a $500.00 price point? Regards, Paul Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Looperlative pricing > Paul Richards wrote: > "The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for >maybe > a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so >we > can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. > > > Dear Paul, with all due respect, you seem to be uninformed about the > economics of the looping world. > > Zoom would never in a million years, by a product like the Looperlative > for a million bucks. They would lose there asses > in such a deal because not that many people even buy looping devices. > > At one point I made impassioned pleas to the people at Line 6 to put >some > changes into their cheap floor model , the DL-4. > They said, "We sorry to tell you this, but we sell very few units of >the > DL-4 to people who are specifically using it for looping. > Our market is for guitarists who use the delay modelling and the looping > is thrown in as an added bonus. We don't sell enough > to loopers to make it worthwhile adding, say MIDI syncing capabilities." > > It was an eye opener to me. Matthias Grob (inventor of the echoplex) > and his partner Kim Flint can tell you about the lack > of huge profit in selling a highly sophisticated looper. Bob Amstadt >can > tell you the same thing. He's risked a lot of his family's finances > in an attempt to make this product and is the most non-elitist guy I >could > ever introduce you to. > > ****************** > > You know something, if you take any serious >musician................after > a while, they realize they want to buy a better axe to go along > with all their hard work getting better on an instrument. > > If you are serious about electric guitars, you are going to have spend > over a thousand dollars, by and large, to get a really good instrument. > Shit, if you are cellist or an acoustic bassist we are talking $5,000 to > $10,000 for a really good instrument. > > The looperlative is now, by far and away, the highest fidelity hardware > based live looper on the planet right now. > If you are serious about looping in your artistry, then you have to at > least consider it as an option in what you invest in. > > Anyone can buy one at list price for a year of payments of >$120-125/month. > > Try to buy the best drumset in the world for that > price....................they'll laugh you out of the music store. > The same goes for an excellent acoustic guitar or electric. > > The fact of the matter is that there are inexpensive instruments (line 6 > DL-4, boss RC-20) and there are more sophisticated > and more expensive instruments (the Echoplex and the Looperlative). You > can buy software loopers that are fantastic > for much cheaper, but you have to have a $1500 laptop computer to run >them > on. > This is just life. > > To derisively tell the so called looper elites to shut the hell up is >not > only highly disrespectful but it also shows a woeful lack of knowledge >on > your part. > > Please consider your remarks before you blast people on this list. This > community is heavily populated by those same people.........some of whom > happen to be world class artists without an elitist bone in their bodies. > > And please get your facts straight. > > signed, > > a person who makes very little money, living off his artistry and also > plays the cheapest and most expensive loopers on the market, > > Rick Walker