RC 50 latency & andy butler

[Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>]

This really worries me because I haven't noticed latency issues with the RC 50.  Haven't pushed it very hard though.  But when I record a 'phrase' it plays it back in time, in beat,  without hiccup (although I haven't looked for it) when I end recording of that phrase (first or any phrase).  Am I missing something?  I'm not playing anything real fast though, just finger style stuff.  But it isn't sustainy music (pads etc) either, so maybe it would show up there.

I'll try to look for it.  I'm not an experienced looper like most of you.  All my prior looping experience was with my Delta Lab Effectrons in Infinite Repeat... which was and actually still is pretty cool.

I don't use any of the quantize functions, the guide etc.  And I do tend to keep playing.

I have noticed that recorded loops sound a bit different from actual signal.  But it seems to sound better, or maybe brighter.  That's a bit strange too.  I'd rather not have that variable to deal with.

My big bomb with it though is being limited to three phrases.  I'm not layering or overdubbing, just recording separate phrases to play over.

Listened to Andy Butler's inspiring music online.  Happily reminded me of that cool record R Fripp and Andy Summers made way back when.  Made me wanna dust off my trusty old Roland GR300 guitar synth.  Very cool.  This is a big step for me.  I got so burned out on synth sounds (doing music for film/video - 1990-2003) I thought I'd never even contemplate it again.  But... I guess you never know, eh?

You all are infectious!
richard sales
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On 28-Jul-06, at 2:39 PM, noone@jbro.us wrote:

Dan-
The “delay” you’re referring to is a well documented glitch and is, indeed, very frustrating.  It happens when going from record to playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback occurrence – after that it plays smoothly.  It’s worth pointing out that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the TIMING of the phrase is not affected, so it’s pretty easy to just play over the skipped note the first time through.  I think it’s some kind of memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical limitation of the memory/processor speed.  There has been some rumor of a software update to address this in the fall, but I’m not sure where it originated from.
J
 

From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage)
 

Jesse,

I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a delay
on the playback of the first loop I record.
Can you tell me if this happens on all the units??
That delay would kill me live.

thanks,
dan
2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us <noone@jbro.us>:

FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.  Each phrase can be set to fade
in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).  The longest fade
setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient
sounds.  You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while one (or
more) is fading out.  This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in the
first place.

Jesse

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on
stage)

i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look
pretty cool :)

i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player
suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting
frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any
substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i
wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A
and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so
there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it
wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort,
and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or
bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so
when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in
some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff
box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half
the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that
option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted,
but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do,
and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through
MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and
controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two
expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as
well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched
to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy
who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching,
so i hope to have it soon :)
and i will let everyone know about it when i get it...
in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through
the presets, with all the cool things it can do :)

Charlie

On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com > wrote:
> Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very
> interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of
> events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60
> seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide
> firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative.
>
> Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I
> saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more.
>
> (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review,
> edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!).
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> > ...i am eagerly awaiting my
> > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the
> > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while
> > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was
> > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and
> > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for
> > when loops go wrong too :)
> >
> > Charlie
>
>





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