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I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer audio setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a looper. Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally at home. However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my live rig. This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability issues to some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our much more powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. That's a bit OT, though. Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay compensation to combat the monitoring latency? Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Krispen, I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if it is even feasible to offer such a package? >I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >money is in services. > >How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >to time or rework, which again equates to money. > >So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >VST effects, all ready to work. > >The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >customize it after that point. > >It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >packages, etc. > >Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >to do this. > >************************************************************************** >Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung -- ... http://www.zmix.net