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Tonight I'm drinking: Old Crustacean http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/132/2965 What a great brew....but not what I'm posting about...what does beer have to do with looping? So, I've put together a patch for looping in Max/MSP and made it so I think it works as a standalone application....four stereo loopers with varispeed stuff..... It is not very developed, mouse only, midi to come, but I'm curious if it works on other machines, or only mine....I'm very new at this and just having fun so don't know.... please try it and let me know it it works, or not.....that is, if you use a mac....might not work on the new ones. No docs, hopefully it might be self-explanatory. http://jeffkaiser.com/software.html cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com