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it occured to me i should make people aware of the existence of yet another piece of loop gear. i'm speaking of the pyle pdsp850 phrase sampler. this little unit i picked up online knowing nothing about it except what it claimed to be able to do. they go for around $100 new. it's a somewhat thin rackmount unit and is basically a very simple dj phrase sampler. you've got a few different banks to choose from which give you different amounts of time to deal with (probably their way of crudely managing memory on this p.o.s.). according to the tools of the trade site list, this would fall under the category of not being a true looper, since it does not allow you to hit one button to record and another to stop recording and immediately initiate playback. in addition to the buttons to select a memory location, there are a few other buttons such as 'read' and 'write'. to sample, make sure the 'read' is lit up and then hit the record button and it'll start recording, then hit the button again to stop. then you've got to hit the 'write' button, after which you can hit the same record/play button to play or stop the playing loop. it also has a knob for controlling the speed of the loop just as on a tape machine or record player. the range is not that great, maybe about half an octave in either direction. you can crank the knob all the way in one direction to record fast and then turn it all the other direction to get a greater decrease in pitch then if you had started with the knob at the middle point. kind of nice. main problem with this baby is that the sound quality coming out of it SUCKS! it seems that levels that are already well optimized such as if you have a cd player plugged right into it usually don't come out sounding too bad, just a bit grainy. but if your input signal is even a little bit soft, it seems like this thing really mangles it. the knobs that control input and output volume also don't seem to behave as espected. for instance, put the input level way down to avoid clipping (which is easy with this thing), you'll have to turn the output knob up to compensate for that. so record a loop then play it back. it will come out very very loud. it's as though there is an automatic normalization process that happens to the loop when it is stored, because i would expect the loop to come out sounding as loud as it did when i was playing through the unit. or the input and output volumes affect the throughput and the stored loops differently, which is retarded. anybody else ever been unfortunate enough to buy one of these? if so, anything you'd recommend to make it more usable? i never use it anymore because it's too noisey. if anyone is curious and wants to try one out, i would be willing to sell mine at a rather low price, since i know i have not exactly given a rave review of it. but one man's garbage is another man's ... aesthetically pleasing garbage. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com