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Krispen wrote: "I remember a year or so ago, I found nothing on the web for live looping videos, and now they are everywhere...it's officially borderlining a commodity now....I think." The reason for this sudden outpouring is probably not the proliferation of live loopers, Kris, as much as the unbelievable proliferation of Youtube in the last year and a half that has , in the last six months emerged from dozens of small video sites and sparked Yahoo and Google to start the same kind of service. I was reading the other day that youtube.com in a year and a half is suddenly streaming 30,000,000 videos a day. There rise is just unprecedented. I"ve started making looping videos myself in the past six months largely because there has been a place to place them. By the way, I started the Experimental Abstract Minimal Video Group there if anyone is interested. My videos, using a cheesy Radio Shack early digital camera and toy, battery operated lighting effects that allow me to make very lo fi visual looping videos are at http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=looppool I'm making these videos to express myself and also to give a visual looping element to my next CD of Abstract Electronica, ORANGE.