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what about open circuit players? Also: what makes a guitar an instrument? The wood? The strings? The frets? Tuners? They all add up to make an instrument....as do those little things we call "effects".......The instrument is what WE use to make music.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Sep 7, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to > produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical > "tools" that take music and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an > instrument in this case, meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that > don't require audio input? I would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and > simple definition to me. It either produces music or it doesn't. An > effect processor doesn't produce music per se in my book, it alters > it...which is we call them "effects"....they effect the audio input > they received, even if beyond recognition.