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On Oct 31, 2006, at 4:02 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > but, building a max external to do the looping, with all the appropriate > 'inlets/outlets' exposed, would do the trick for many people.. Right. But the original question (I assumed) was whether you could do this without resorting to external coding, because once you do you're in a whole different league as far as the technical skills required. Once you're writing in C++, then the question is why even bother writing a Max external, just write a VST plugin and expose the necessary ports and parameters. Then it can be used in Live or Bidule, or anywhere else. I like Max, but it serves an odd market. People that would not be considered programmers can use it to build many wonderful things, but people that are programmers don't really need it. Like other "high level" languages, it makes easy things very easy, it makes medium things easy, and it makes hard things even harder :-) I think it would be exciting to take a system like Mobius or AmibiLoop and try to break the architecture down into smaller components that could each be built as a Max external, then use Max to wire them up in different ways. Who knows, maybe there will be someone with more free time than I do that wants to tackle that :-) But this is hard work, and anyone capable of doing that has to be committed to the Max Way Of Life, in addition to never expecting to get any money for it. Jeff