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>>I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly fenders & the like. damian, don't knock what you don't understand. duncan.