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OT I know, but then again, you all know a lot of useful OT things like which is a better cheap drum machine, the Alesis SR16 and the Zoom RT 223. I can find both used for less than $100 and was curious if anyone had any experience with either of them that might sway me one way or another. I'm basically looking for a machine I can play live and has Midi out. Beyond that I'm flexible (other than wanting to keep my costs around $100). Oh yes, and I'm more partial to drum machine sounds that sound like machines rather than poor approximations of real drums. I will be looping this machine Thanks Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org