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I find for myself that it depends on personal context. If someone's slightly out of tune in a jazz combo, it drives me nuts. A singer for an indie rock band who's a little weak on pitch, it's annoying but not quite so bad. In something like Tuvan singing, or solo mbira, or gamelan as you mention, I don't even think about the fact that it's often out of tune compared to an equal-tuned piano. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > first let me say that i am no music theory expert. > sometimes i obsess about this because i think my > compositions may sound ignorant due to my > shortcomings. but, other times when i listen to say, > other cultural music like music from bali or > thailand...i hear beauty that i love and i know the > scales are not adhearing to western thought. also, > with electronic music and sound art, it seems to me > that no key in necessary and that this is actually > desirable and standard. but, then i wonder if that is > how it is for all audiences and players? > > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? > > thanks for your input, love to hear your thoughts! > > Margaret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble