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yes this is true the vinyl albums sound much better! cheers Luis --- Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way > too bright... > > > >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production > >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned > up!those > >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page > got > >out of those small amps and guitars are the most > >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What > ive > >always found brilliant about such a band was the > >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the > >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" > the > >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding > >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off > lost > >part by their engineer which i believe page fired > on > >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another > >part at the begining of "celebration day"... > >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or > >thrills they played back in those days that make > them > >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last > >time they were going to live... > >Luis > > > > > > > > > >--- greg williams <gregorwilliams@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Brian, > >> > >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in > >> general in terms of dynamics, > >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It > was > >> hugely disappointing for > >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, > and > >> so is the sound on the > >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same > >> time. I don't know if it > >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his > >> mastering engineer, but I > >> really wish I could hear those recordings with > some > >> dynamics still intact. > >> > >> ~Greg > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian Kupferschmid > >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds > terrible > >> > >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of > today's > >> music is crap, not just because the talent is > >> lacking, > >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside > from > >> super compressed material, the bands themselves > only > >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. > Where's > >> the > >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and > >> still > >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations > on > >> the > >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of > >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind > you, > >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be > >> dynamic > >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze > the > >> life out of any song to make it in your face? > My > >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything > Jimmy > >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He > composed > >> his > >> songs and used the studio to enhance his > material > >> with > >> what he refers to "light and shade". The > >> combination > >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and > >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so > on. > >> If > >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest > >> sounding > >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. > >> Ultimately, > >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the > >> mastering > >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big > is > >> the small parts, thus making the song truly > >> engulfing. > >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is > >> Tool, > >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to > an 8 > >> minute tune and not get bored, because the > shifts in > >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and > what's > >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part > pops up > >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, > I've > >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of > > > what > >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of > >> dynamics, it wears you out. > >> --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> > wrote: > >> > >> > This is an interesting article posted on the > jazz > >> > guitar discussion group. > >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting > discussions > >> > about the abuses or > >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for > hotter > >> > levels in newer CDs when > >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise > >> Experimental > >> > Music Festival....all > >> > the different ways you can increase levels > (for > >> CDs > >> > to sound comparable to > > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet > >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times > when I > >> > hear a CD, especially > >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that > is a > >> > really hot and "in your > >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much > of a > >> > dynamic range...some guy > >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that > is > >> is > >> > practically blowing his > >> > brains out to get that tone out of his > horn...but > >> it > >> > is no louder than the > >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an > >> ambient > >> > section. It's like > >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > >> > limit....turn that wave form > >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to > 0db...in > >> your > >> > face, 100% of the time. > >> > Below is the first time I've seen this > referred to > >> > as exhausting, but it > >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo > down, > >> > there might be something to > >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > >> > natural dynamics and more > >> > space. > >> > > >> > >Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > >> > etc, > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into > the > >> > discussion of the > >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more > space > >> > to one's compositions > >> > (not making the composition "better" or > "worse," > >> > mind you). 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