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And don't forget the LoopMusic forum, which I manage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic (186 members) However, I may retire this forum, as we've only had 10 messages since the beginning of the year.....everyone consider this when you decide to setup a new forum dedicated to looping. Creating one with all the features you think are cool is one thing; getting people to sign up and participate is another thing. To date, LD is still the king of the castle (of looping forums). You have to operate in the shadow of LD, unless you think you can build something so unbelievably attractive that folks will jump ship. Here where I work, we operate by what we call the 80/20 rule. If you can meet 80% of the needs, then that's sufficient....there's a lot of talk about new features and ways to run a list/group/forum about looping, but unless they are a "must have", I don't think much is going to change in terms of user migration. LD ain't perfect, but what is? I'd say just suck it up. Deal with it or get the f*ck out. :) Hah hah. Kris