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I started live as a wind / horn player and switched later in life to guitar (OK, at age 8). I was fascinated to hear a tape that Jon Hassell played during an interview which contained some of his lessons with his indian vocal teacher. Vocalizing, note shapes and colors. 'Shredding' is at it's -best- like Jackson Pollock, it can be quite valid, too... I suppose. >On 22 maj 2007, at 16.50, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >>Sounds like you hit the nail on the head there. I've always felt >>that horn players had a certain advantage over keyboard and guitar >>players. One simple way to describe the phenomenon is that the lack >>of visual 'roadmaps' require that the player must hear th licks in >>their head before playing them, often resulting in more of a human >>vocal quality to the resuling music. > >What you describe as a "horn player related phenomenon" is IMHO the >starting point from where any person should begin learning to play >any instrument. It's a big mistake to start out making sounds that >come from the instrument rather from your own emotion and curiosity. >"Visual roadmaps" are no good unless they are blueprints of your own >inner feelings and methods for making music. No one, seriously >interested in learning to play music, should initially be allowed to >play any note that is not felt fully justified. That's a big mistake >by many music teachers! I think a much better learning attitude >would be: "Never play a note that would not be your choice if >singing! If in doubt, stay silent." > >I think "visual roadmaps" can successfully be imagined as tools for >working with structured improvisation, but to use them for >intonation, phrasing and reacting on musical gestures... jeez, that >sounds destructive! Those immediate organic processes should really >be left for the "built-in" musical instinct. > >BTW, I'm not a horn player, I'm a guitar player that picked up horns >and air instruments on the side. Until I no longer could tell which >instrument is my premier... it's just sound and expression anyway, >whatever tool you choose for making noise. > >>I built my strat when I was 14 years old, in search of the same >>elusive tone you mentioned in your post. I actually * did * >>reverse the angle of my bridge pickup. What a tremendous >>improvement! Thicker trebles and brighter basses! > >Cool! How interesting to hear that you found the improvement that great! > >>What's more, I have been using a Telecaster pickup there for the >>last several years. > >I'd like that too! :-) The tele has a better bite to its bridge >pickup. Especially those old pickups with more mid tone. > >per -- ... http://www.zmix.net