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Rainer Straschill wrote: "Now think about the possibility to do some multi-track work here - have the bass drum in one loop, the snare drum in another one and so one. With that, you can now add some crazy ringmod to just the snare drum loop, or send the bass drum through a reverb delay, or replace the cymbal part without touching any of the other parts...you get the idea." Of course, Rainer, I am hip to this approach to using multiple tracks and have done it a lot even back in the days when I had three synced Lexicon Jammans (circa 1996). I'm even about to add a second 6 space rack of Electrix tempo based gear (MoFX, Filter Factory) with a patchbay to my local-more-produced-live-looping shows just to increase my precision control utilizing this strategy.........unfortunately I'll be unable to tour with this much gear (not that it ever has stopped Ted Killian.........lol) I think, however, from your response to me, that you may have missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not trying to say that one shouldn't use multiple loops or that there aren't times when it is very appropriate to use a very muli-layered approach, but more that live loopers can afford to question there constant desire to fill up arrangements with many different loops. Max Valentino really hit the nail on the head of what I'm talking about by saying "And even with many of the advanced processing powers of this current generation of both soft and hardware loopers, it still pretty much becomes the concept of filling a box until it overflows" As with all things, none of this critique is purely black and white. I love some maximal musicians and I love some minimal musicians. I think we all, with this in mind, have noticed that inexperienced loopers fall into a tendency to fill the box until it overflows. Our culture tends to be stronger on the teaching of Harmonic density and how to eschew it. Consequently, it is easier for a guitarist, as an example of avoiding stack their chords too densely for fear of having no room in their soloing. Unfortunately, our culture's educational environements tend to be very light on imparting the sister concepts of Timbral Masking and Rhythmic Masking and how understanding these concepts can lead us to the avoidance of dense, mushy,ineffective and 'overflowing' arrangements.