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Cool trick.I wonder if radio shack still carries the same parts, as a lot of their stuff has changed. I used to get these cheap little piezo transducers for about $3 that worked great ,but they no longer carry them. .I understad you can get the same thing from cheap door bell assemblies.Havent tried it yet.They used to have these cheap PZMs which were the same as crowns and worked great for live redcording bands-I just put up 2 waist ht on the front of the stage. Last I checked they no loger had those either. _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2