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Wooo ..... sounds like we generally understand each other .... let me just talk about a few of the thing that we seem to differ on ..... and then let me know about some of these things that don’t make sense to me. Aaron ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop again you can ... (1) have the loop run still in sync according to the general music time-line, (2) start exactly where it was muted (as in "pause") or (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute action happens on the set quantize point). Yeah .... same deal with flyloops .... 1) I call mute 2) pause 3) on/off Also ... you should be able to just play from the beginning at an arbitrary starting point ..... such as the "one shot" on the RC-50. I imagine mobius can do this as well ? > SYNCING: Quick input: poly rhythm ...... Right, got it ... flyloops and mobius are both capable of this (since both can handle loops of various lengths, but with the same underlying basic unit of length). > > - full sync ....... Good for beginners. > - partial sync - You must be missing something here, or didn't explain it as you intended to! If the Tap In point is not quantized but the Tap Out point is, then there is no chance that the resulting loop will match a multiple of the master loops length. You need to also use quantization for the TAp In action. Here is what I mean: http://www.flyloops.com/semantics/loopingmodes.html Except that back then I called it "latching" ..... this is ideal for a phrase that comes in on ... say ... the third beat of a 4/4 measure ... but repeats every 8 measures .... you only want it to cut in/out on the 3rd beat ... but you want it to be as long as the master (or 2,3,4 .. times as long). For me this one is a big deal because a lot of jazz tunes have melodies beginning on a downbeat other that the 1st ... and you want to be able to move seamlessly from playing that melody to not .... but without trailing notes ....... Make sense? > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is > complete. Does it? I must have missed that feature then. Hmmm .... maybe I am wrong ... I thought I read that it did. > > VST: > Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST > (yet). Personally I'm more interested in running it as an AU (if OS X is supported, that is) Yeah, I know ..... many are. > GROUP LOOPING: > Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such > as, when > receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source > (which > happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync > setting Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my preferred VST host application. Hmmm .... surprising, then, that we haven't seen more true group looping experiments .... and let me be very clear ... I do NOT mean two or more people were one lays down a loop and others try to follow ..... I mean an environment were more than one person lay down loops that are synced with one another .... certainly mobius is capable of that ..... do you have any examples of it ??? For example ..... say ..... rick walker lays down a quick 1 measure drum lick ... Then per boysen lays down a 5 measure flute ostinato .... Then Arild lays down a 10 measure bass line ... Then they take turns jamming over it ....... And occasionally turn a track on/off ... Maybe this just isn't anyone's style ..... and I'll accept that if it is the case ... but I find it hard to believe that there are no examples of it out there .... yet I haven't found one. > STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with > whatever > decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops individually"? I'm not sure, but I think we are mis-communicating here .... Here is what I mean: Three loops on different tracks ..... Tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 Loops: A A(s) - A - So there are three recorded loops on three separate tracks, playing in parallel .. but one is stacking (overdubbing ... with a decay rate) on just one of them (track 2, maybe ... hence the "s" above) ..... leaving the other untouched. So one and three play as usual .... 2 stacks with a decay rate. If you are unclear on this ... please listen to that recording I posted a few days ago .... I make heavy use of this technique. > CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. > I don’t know if mobius does this .... ? Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo base for the looping session. Why would it change the global tempo for this ??? I think I don't understand ........ > though once it is rewire compatible it should > by able to sync to internal sources. Please watch out when implementing ReWire! In Ableton Live you loose the ability to send out MIDI when enabling ReWire Sync. Indeed .... I agree .. I'll be careful ..... to be fair though, there may be technical limitations here .... certain elements are easy to sync up ... others much harder. > SAVING: > it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos > being played) > the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. > adjustments). Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a DAW. Yes... it does that too ... I call that "save loops" instead of "save session". Usually its good to do both ... then you end up with a number of small loop wav files ..... plus a longer live recording of what the looper itself was playing at any given time .... plus a recording of what the musician(s) was/were playing at any given time .... Make sense? This way you have a lot of versatility when editing .... Thanks for posting the deep info, Aaron! Any time brotha ..... hope to have more discussions about it all ... this is very enlightening for me ....and it's always good to get all are words together (loop = track .... overdub = stack ... things like that). Ciao AL Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: <unknown> 12:00 AM