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Ian Popperwell wrote: (but general to the discussion > the sound nicely. You could try the TL Audio FatMan or the Fat2 (I have > the Fat2) and it's a tube pre with a tube compressor and is about 4U > high, but half rack width. - it sounds great and they sometimes go > secondhand (no longer made). > The TLA stuff is very good, but mostly they use hybrid design). They also do the only "true tube" pre-amp that I know of ( er..there may be more, but I can't afford them anyway) this is the PA-1, it has a specialist pentode valve as the first stage of amplification. Generally they use transistors for the first stage, because there's less noise(eg, the Fat2. ECC83/12AX7A valves are then used for the second (less gain) stage of amplification. As is almost always the case with "tube" mic-pres, really they are transistor pres followed by a valve stage for coloration. I've been tempted to say that it's only a "true tube" if the actual pre-amp (the critical first stage of amplification) is a valve. I hope that hasn't caused confusion, as this quite plainly disagrees with manufacturers claims for their products. andy butler