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At 6:02 PM -0800 12/22/07, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: >Take a look at the Boss DD-20. Thanks Ted. I actually use the Boss DD-20, but currently only for "delay line" looping. It'd completely slipped my mind that it has one algorithm with "first loop" capability too. (I never end up using that one, however, because it's pretty hard for me to hit the loop points, IIRC). Although I think you give up the feedback control with that algo, don't you? Hrm, gotta check the manual.... The DD-20 may make it onto the pedalboard regardless, since I've gotta find something battery-powered to use in place of my favorite Magicstomp chorus/delays for lush space effects. Either that one or perhaps the new RE-20 Space Echo re-release. Also, I've got quite a bit of "back door" manipulation type stuff that I've done with the DD-20 (it really is a cool little box). But I'm trying to keep this board simple. With the little Boss unit I'm going to be mighty tempted to make things too complex and let it get out of hand again, like I have with almost every other setup I've put together. :P Still, it just seems like there should be more simple Loopers like this out there.... Thanks again for all the help! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...."