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Oh yeah man I definitely know what you mean!!! Although I have just been using the drum machines about 15 years or so. I have recently been using super cheapo depo drum machines and looping thru the boomerang. I then loop another on top taking care of adjusting the levels then I let the real magic start with the slight human variance creating doubling then tripling and so on and so forth until coming back to original but thicker more toneful pattern. The return to the original pattern sometimes takes close to twenty minutes or so! To clarifiy something the original pattern is consistently playing outside of the loop, I also run the drums through fx. Kinda hard to find people to talk to about this. It is a way of great musical inspiration for me, I will often just listen to the beat and layers intermixing for many hours on end kinda inducing a meditative state. Wait till the revelation hits and off I go with the new inspiration that finds its way to me again breaking the monotony of things. Peace Out Brother!!! Thank You and Wishing you many more blessings from loopy delightful inspirations in the new year 2 B!!! All the best "Lightsight" --- Ryan Reid <ryanreidfl@gmail.com> wrote: > I find a lot of delight in syncing (i.e. not externally triggering) two >drum > machines with different pattern lengths, quantization "feel" (seems to be > more than just raw PPQ spec in older machines), and occasionally swing > settings (here the actual PPQ probably plays more of a role). While not > especially useful in and of itself, it gives me some nice material to >sample > and splice up (conservatively, not DnB chopping for me). This is of >course > not in search of "human feel" or familiar idea of "groove" but something >of > an analog to it. And with sampling, one can introduce similar but subtly > different snippets, differentially triggered by arbitrary differences in > velocity. I've recently been toying with using logic gates in modular > programs for some arbitrary but "automatic" and in-sync triggers. And >then > there's screwing with beat markers on loops in Ableton Live and >overdubbing > triggered samples to the pleasant "mistakes." > > There are times, of course, when a single metronomic 4-bar pattern is >what > is called for. Last year I saw the duo Genders open for ADULT., using >only > single patterns (DR-660 I think) for looonng drawn out pieces and they >wound > up being a lot more interesting live than ADULT. > > I've had a lot of thoughts about ol' Karlheinz and "chance" and (lack of) > repetition recently but I'm not yet prepared to refine them into a >concise > post. :) Later, perhaps. > > Take care, > Ry > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs