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Howdy, I think a lot of it has to do with loop lenght. Short loops can become repetitious. My SOP is to use a Casio MMT-8 to set up 64 or 32 beat loops. Then start and stop the 8 tracks for variety, and of course, have 2 or 3 loops to use. This method allows loops to sound like full verse/chorus type stuff. It does NOT allow making loops on the fly without starting and stopping to create. I don't know about all the loopers you guys talk about, but if there is one out there that will allow me to do these things and also build a new loop or re-record a track on an existing loop, on the fly, that would be WAY COOL. I don't think I need all 8 tracks to do this, 4 would work but I would prefer 8. Anything out there? Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs