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>If you want a decent chance of getting people to pay you a working >wage for something you do 8+ hours a day, consider doing something >really useful--like plumbing. I found this to be a very interesting statement; does that mean that you don't consider what you do as a musician to be useful? It just happens that what I do for a living is plumbing, and I work in maintenance at a hospital. So I do consider my plumbing work to be of importance, like last week when I repaired a leak that had just flooded out an operating room. And yet I would say that I've made a greater contribution to the world through my music than I'll ever do with my plumbing work. Last year I had someone come to me with a story that they had just come through one of the worst years of their life. She said "whenever I felt I couldn't go on anymore, I listened to your music and it helped me through" Now that's pretty useful stuff..... and I'll bet there's plenty of stories like that from various people on this list who have created incredible music that has touched peoples lives. I'm glad there's folks like Rick that are still out there and able to make some sort of living, it gives me hope that our society will some day value its artists enough to support them instead of just tolerating them. Oh and by the way, I only make $25.00 an hour as a plumber, which does require a 5 yr apprenticeship, a license that has to be renewed every few years and lots of additional training and seminars to keep up with the current changes to the codes and equipment. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca