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Hi Warren, I really like your post, because I've been feeling inferior for never getting my head around live. Years ago, I was a snob about software, and felt I could deal with anything. I think Logic from the pre-apple years was the first time I felt like I hit a wall. I'm actually looking for a class that I can take to orient myself to live. I'm still much more comfortable in the modular max/bidule/usine type of environment where I can see the signal path and I don't have to deal with anything on the screen that I didn't choose to put there. -- Art Simon simart@null.net art.simon.tripod.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon