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Much has been bandied about in this thread about whether one uses the instrument of most proficiency or the least and it provoked some thoughts I wanted to share. One of the beauties of the live looping movement is that inventors' of much of the innovation, technologically are actively involved in performing in that movement. This means that there has been a lot of innovation in creating new techniques (or delightfully misusing mistakes in new techniques) because the intruments have been evolving quickly. There are musical techniques and sounds that one can use with an EDP, Max MSP, a Looperlative, Mobius using Bidule that truly have never been heard before. There are whole improvisational styles evolving (witness Per Boysen using Mobius and Bidule or Jeff Kaiser using MaxMSP) that are creating music that hasn't been heard. Because a lot of these new techniques are technology driven, it means that ordinary (and unordinary) sounds sources have much more potential to create new timbres and new musics to respond to. That's why I delight in taking on instruments that I'll never be competent on in their original intended styles and genres because they have the potential to create new timbres that haven't existed before in music. As an example, I performed a long piece for Baritone Horn at a recent Noise Festival, using a looperlative, a Boss intellishifter and multiple and serially hooked up multi-distortion pedals. I've played enough brass instruments to understand the paradigm for learning how to play this instrument, but I'm so far away from being able to play the simplest John Philips Sousa march in a band that it's not even funny. But it SOUNDS FANTASTIC. In a way, I used the loopers in my rig with more precision and skill than I did the Baritone but whatever I did, it created something new, I think. So, all wonderful kudos to the blistering, fantastic bass players, guitarists, cellists, tubists, etc. out there. I love your music and admire it (and I"m not such a lame trapset drummer, too...........lol) At the same time, I find that the marriage of advanced techonology and a primitivist approach to music making can also yield really valid and interesting music results. Rick Walker